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Post by 42jeff on Aug 29, 2007 2:54:30 GMT -5
And this?
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Post by Benjamin Morgan on Aug 29, 2007 3:50:11 GMT -5
Okay, after some light reading (Ha!) over statistics and various views and policies that did/did not work in other countries, I've come to the conclusion that a strict gun control law is wrong. However, I find no reason for allowing automatic weapons to be sold to citizens. It is my understanding that guns should be allowed for two main reasons: hunting/recreation and protection. You don't need automatic weapons as a citizen. Perhaps there could be some kind of deal worked up where gun ranges have a stash that people can fire at the range.
There does need to be a comprehensive background check performed on an individual purchasing a gun. They need to be checked for previous crimes and misdemeanors and mental illness. Even if it takes a week to perform that check, you gotta wait. And the states need a system in place to keep track of all the guns out there.
There needs to be a crack down on illegal guns as well. With the new tax system (The Fair Tax), there will be a rise in the black market economy. There needs to be a strong government organization charged with ebbing the black market; which will include guns.
And to those who argue the second amendment, it was written in a time when rifling had not yet been invented. Now we're coming of an age where the technology is here for laser-guided bullets, guns that fire around corners, and some Australian company made a "gun" that fires 16,000 rounds a second! As the technology becomes more advanced, we need to keep a tight leash on these types of weapons and not allow them to get in the wrong hands. Let the government do that job, while you protect yourself with many other guns to choose from and enjoy the hunting so many Americans love.
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Post by 42jeff on Sept 7, 2007 11:30:04 GMT -5
I'm with you on the assault gun branch of this subject. However....sorry I don't have the time at the moment to dig up the stats on it...but when I was in New Mexico and Texas started issuing concealed weapons permits, crime fell off the stinkin table. Of homeboy is considering jacking a car or mugging somebody, he's always got to say to himself...
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Post by demsul on Sept 7, 2007 21:31:20 GMT -5
Gun control is being able to hit your target. In Switzerland all males must own a weapon. A military weapon. An Automatic Weapon. Switzerland has a low crime rate. Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills people. If I want to own an automatic weapon, then by god I should be able to own an automatic weapon. I am a LAW abiding citizen and should not be penalized for some criminal. England has banned guns and gun crime has since increased. Why? Because criminals have nothing to fear. It is also the "Fourth" checks and balances of our Nation. The first step to Tyranny is to disarm the citizenry.
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." Thomas Jefferson.
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Post by demsul on Sept 7, 2007 22:13:24 GMT -5
And one last T. Jefferson quote on guns:
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." --Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764).
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Post by 42jeff on Sept 21, 2007 22:23:55 GMT -5
Amen.
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Post by Benjamin Morgan on Sept 22, 2007 10:56:20 GMT -5
And one last T. Jefferson quote on guns: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." --Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment (1764). I wholeheartedly support Jefferson's belief, and many Americans' belief, in their right to bear arms. Just keep in mind the laser-guided, armour-piercing bullets, the guns that shoot around corners, and the gun that fires 16,000 rounds a second. These are things Jefferson couldn't fathom.
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Post by 42jeff on Sept 22, 2007 14:09:09 GMT -5
If we make owning guns a criminal act...then only the criminals will get them. The law-abiding majority---you and me and my wife and my parents and such--will be at their mercy should they decide to flex.
Go watch Demolition Man:
"STOP! Or I shall say stop again!"
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Post by Benjamin Morgan on Sept 22, 2007 14:27:45 GMT -5
Right. And I already said people should own guns, just not the assault guns (which you already said you agree with). We just need tighter regulations on the "illegal" guns and an organization that can handle it better. That is a good movie. (not really)
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Post by demsul on Sept 22, 2007 15:12:05 GMT -5
If I want a gun that can shoot around corners and fires a zillion round a minute then I should be able to have it. It's my checks and balances against the coming leftist regime. (Yes, I hate commies and lefties. Blame my cold war upbringing.) ;D
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Post by Benjamin Morgan on Sept 22, 2007 15:14:46 GMT -5
Well then you'll just have to suck it up and learn to shoot a real gun. Leave the control of the assault guns to the government. My government. ;D
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Post by demsul on Sept 22, 2007 15:26:12 GMT -5
I'll be able to own a Howitzer when your President? Yippee!!!
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Post by demsul on Sept 22, 2007 20:24:51 GMT -5
"Guns are like alcohol: valuable, useful, popular, and fun - but, without discretion, self-destructive to the user."
Anonymous Fighter Pilot
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Post by demsul on Jan 20, 2008 23:33:51 GMT -5
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Post by demsul on Feb 2, 2008 23:07:48 GMT -5
The PC Free Zone is reporting that an 80-year-old retired Green Beret has been tried by his peers after shooting an intruder in his Knoxville, Tennessee home. He is the oldest member of Chapter XXXIII of the Special Forces Association.
BREVARD, Jan. 19, 2008 Retired Army Green Beret Smokey Taylor got his court martial this weekend and came away feeling good about it.
Taylor, at age 80 the oldest member of Chapter XXXIII of the Special Forces Association, was on trial by his peers under the charge of failing to use a weapon of sufficient caliber in the shooting of an intruder at his home in Knoxville, TN, in December.
The entire affair, of course, was very much tongue in cheek. Taylor had been awakened in the early morning hours of Dec. 17, 2007, when an intruder broke into his home. He investigated the noises with one of his many weapons in hand.
When the intruder threatened him with a knife, Taylor warned him, then brought his .22 caliber pistol to bear and shot him right between the eyes.
That boy had the hardest head Ive ever seen, Taylor said after his trial. The bullet bounced right off. The impact knocked the would-be thief down momentarily. He crawled out of the room then got up and ran out the door and down the street. Knoxville police apprehended him a few blocks away and he now awaits trial in the Knox County jail.
The charges against Taylor were considered to be serious. He is a retired Special Forces Weapons Sergeant with extensive combat experience during the wars in Korea and Vietnam.
Charges were brought against him under the premise that he should have saved the county and taxpayers the expense of a trial, said Chapter XXXIII President Bill Long of Asheville. He could have used a .45 or .38. The .22 just wasn't big enough to get the job done.
Taylors defense attorney, another retired Weapons Sergeant, disagreed. He said Taylor had done the right thing in choosing to arm himself with a .22.
If he'd used a .45 or something like that the round would have gone right through the perp, the wall, the neighbors wall and possibly injured some innocent child asleep in its bed, he said. I believe the evidence shows that Smokey Taylor exercised excellent judgment in his choice of weapons. He did nothing wrong, and clearly remains to this day an excellent weapons man.
Counsel for the defense then floated a theory as to why the bullet bounced off the perps forehead.
He was victimized by old ammunition, he said, just as he was in Korea and again in Vietnam, when his units were issued ammo left over from World War II.
Taylor said nothing in his own defense, choosing instead to allow his peers to debate the matter. After the trial he said the ammunition was indeed old and added the new information that the perp had soiled his pants as he crawled out of the house.
I would have had an even worse mess to clean up if it had gone through his forehead, Taylor said. It was good for both of us that it didn't.
Following testimony from both sides, Taylor was acquitted of the charges and was given a round of applause.
Meanwhile, back in Knox County, the word is out: Don't go messing with Smokey Taylor. He just bought a whole bunch of fresh ammo.
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